@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@ >From: •••@••.••• (Marilyn Davis) Subject: Re: On Electronic Democracy [cr-95/11/20] To: •••@••.••• Date: Mon, 11 Dec 1995 Dear Cyber-rights, G. Scott Aikens' thoughtful message is excerpted at the end. In response: Dear G. Scott Aikens, I don't mean to undermine your excellent work, or any of history's good men. We'd be absolutely nowhere without it -- no possibility of a good future. But history itself looks pretty bad to me. For the last 5000 years, always, more than half the world's people have been oppressed. History is *his* story: the largely violent struggle between the "good" and "bad" *men*; a story of the struggle to dominate, and, necessarily, to oppress, repress, and thereby cause general perversion. And no, I don't like our political process. My loss of faith came in 1984 -- 2 years after the Freeze movement -- remember that? So many of us worked so hard to put initiatives on state ballots in 1982 demanding that the government stop making nuclear weapons. It was a huge, popular, and successful movement in that it was overwhelmingly supported by *people*. However, in 1984, none of the candidates for the Democratic nomination for President would even discuss a Freeze on nuclear weapons -- and the press never pushed them to do so. We were ignored. In the end, our choice was between a 6% rise in military spending if we voted Democratic or a 9% rise in military spending if we voted Republican. That was also the year that I discovered that both parties were funded by the same big money interests. Our politicians don't serve us. We are their wards, to be subdued, manipulated and milked. So, no, I don't like our political process. And look what's happening now. The EPA is being dismantled for lack of funds but we have plenty to join the fighting in the Balkans. This is further evidence that our government's priorities are to protect itself and other big money interests. It has no real ambition to care for us or for our earth. It only puts up a little pretense ... and precious little. I'm very concerned for the near future of our planet. However, I'll be happy if you're right. If we manage to use this technology to force our politicians to come clean, that's a good solution in my eyes. Otherwise, those politicians will have to face hoards of well- organized empowered cyberspace activists. * Marilyn * * * Marilyn Davis, Ph.D.-------------- * ---- eVote - online voting software | * demo at (415) 493-8683 | 3790 El Camino Real, #147 * * Weekdays, 10-5 PST | Palo Alto, CA 94306 USA * * log in as "eVote" - no quotes. (415) 493-3631 ------------- * * -------- •••@••.••• ------------ * +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Sender: "G.S. Aikens" <•••@••.•••> By way of background, I was involved in the MN E-Democracy Project during the 1994 election season, organizing and hosting the E-Debates for the Project. We provided a great deal of candidate information. But more [ delete ] agree with her goal of encouraging deliberation but, I must ask, does she find something wrong with the representative system we have had for over 200 years? Isn't there already a place in this system for the vote on the day of elections? Why then does she believe we need to vote and take [ delete ] If I understand the situation correctly, my primary disagreement with Ms. Davis is over whether history has anything valuable to offer or not. When [ delete ] G Scott Aikens --- Tel: 01223-571-170 E-Mail: •••@••.••• WWW: http://www.dar.cam.ac.uk/www/gsa1001.htm @@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@ ~=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=~=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=~--~=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=~=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=~ Posted by Richard K. Moore (•••@••.•••) Wexford, Ireland CyberRights co-leader | Cyberlib=http://www.internet-eireann.ie/cyberlib ~=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=~=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=~--~=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=~=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=~