Sender: •••@••.••• (Kurt Guntheroth) In the United States, on issue of a warrant stating the place to be searched and the evidence to be seized, and after showing "probable cause" that criminal activity is occurring, the police can search any premises, batter down any door, force any lock. They can read your mail and listen to your phone conversations. The Constitution does not provide unlimited protection from search and seizure, nor does it guarantee unlimited privacy. I venture that laws are similar in most democracies. Strong cryptography is a thing not anticipated by the Constitution; a lock that cannot be picked, a door that cannot be forced. Much as I loathe escrowed keys (a technically unworkable system as well as an invitation to tyranny and domestic espionage) we must answer the question Why do we have a right to privacy in cyberspace that is greater than our right to privacy in the physical world? As yet, I have no reasonable answer to this question. The best answer would be a demonstration that the constitutional protection was not strong enough in the physical world or in cyberspace. Fear of tyranny does not seem enough; it is a real but remote possibility. Any ideas? @@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@ Sender: Simeon ben Nevel <•••@••.•••> On Thu, 19 Oct 1995, Cyber Rights wrote: > Encryption [snip] > Can restrictions on encryption help to > break up terrorist organizations and gangs? It certainly doesn't seem to have helped the French very much!! The French government has long-standing ban on the use of strong crypto (with out explicit and very hard to get official permission). This ban, however, has not stopped the Algerian terrorists from bombing innocents at will in the Paris Metro. Simeon =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= •••@••.••• #include std.disclaimer I speak for myself and no one else ~=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=~=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=~-~=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=~=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=~ Posted by Andrew Oram - •••@••.••• - Moderator: CYBER-RIGHTS (CPSR) You are encouraged to forward and cross-post messages for non-commercial use, pursuant to any redistribution restrictions included in individual messages. ~=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=~=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=~-~=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=~=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=~